Nate,
I think what Mike is trying to say is these guys have put a lot of time, effort, and money into what they are working on. If they plan on marketing their products, they don't want to give away all of their secrets.
This I totally understand and honor.
Just my .02. I really don't want to get in the middle of anything.
Cwkick
I think it's too late for me
~Nate