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Re: S.A.S,four point or leafs
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2009, 11:28:20 PM »
Yah spitfire, I'd love to see some pics of the 4-5 link.Post the pics here or send to my  email.The width I'm looking for is from mounting surface of the tire from one side to the other.That way I have an idea of what kind of spacer I mite need if any for the rear.If its really close in width like say within 1/4 to 1/2 I mite have to change the entire rear axle to get the same bolt pattern.I've been told that toyo wheel have different bolt pattern and I would want them to match.Thinking about doing both any way but it would give me the width I need to plan for wheel spacing for tires.I'm planning on using either 31" or 33" if I can get away with it.But trying to keep the body as stock looking as possible.I'm already  planning on moving the flare on the front fender up the fender a little to give me room for 33" if needed to clear,just need to get them to clear the frame. its the back I mite have to do the most work in.I'm hopping that a well planned out axle placement and bump stop will keep me from having to do a lot of chop and cut in the rear and in the front.I'd like to keep the body and suspension as low as possible and still clear the tires to keep center of gravity down low to keep it from wanting to roll over and play dead.Thats why 33 are the biggest tire I'm wanting.Other wise I'd go for 36"s.33 should give me the ideal for on road driving and still perform off road.Trying to get a happy marriage of the 2.Wish me luck.

I'm still making a plan and not going to start working on it till I get the parts on the shop floor,axle and control arms and so forth.I'm big into planning, measure and then plan some more.My dad always told me do it rite the first time and you wont have to do it again.

I see you have a couple car x4's in the yard.The blue one looks like fun,ladder bars ,home made and probably tough as nails.

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Re: S.A.S,four point or leafs
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2009, 06:58:27 AM »
first I went to another site for this toyota info......

:Stock Toyota front axle measurements for comparison:
55.5" wide, 29" spring perch centers, '79-85 Toyota trucks and 4runners
63.5" wide, (set up for coil springs) 90-97 FJ80 and FZJ80 Landcruisers

Toyota Rear Axle Widths:
55" wide, '79-85 trucks/4runners
58" wide, '86-95 trucks/4runners

when I did my link set up I looked at several set ups I had some old cj axles, a samurai frame  & a spitfire parts car
theres formula  to calculate how far apart  /long the links should be if ya google
www.4wheeloffroad.com.  theres 4 link articles with lots of info
 the set up I did  really works good flexes excelent  tthe only issue was in the beginning I bent the panhard bar& I had to add limiting straps.
the ft is 4links w/a panhard bar   the rear is 3 link
 

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Re: S.A.S,four point or leafs
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2009, 01:52:51 AM »
Thanks for the photos rick.The front end lower control arm looks like a 2 piece 4 link set up.Its hard for me to make out in the pics.but it looks simple enough to fab.I don't guess you have any trouble with swaying of the body do you?
See,the only thing that scares me away from the long lower control arms is bottoming out and bending up the control arm on impact of the ground like dropping the tire of into a deep hole.The frame would hit the ground and if the control arms are sitting lower then the frame they will hit with a lot of force,maybe enough to bend and brake stuff.
Have you ever had any trouble with this,cause when I get to moving down a muddy rutted road I'm always hammering on it and I'm not so gentle with it.The best way to get stuck off roading is letting of it when your getting in a bind. A lot of guys will start getting stuck and instead of nailing it and pulling through they will let of the throttle and it'll sink up to there fenders and there they are.Maybe I'm to rough of a driver to do a 4 link.I mite be better of if I stuck with doing a leaf suspension.

Well any way,maybe I'm being overly cautious  about it or over analyzing it.thanks for the photos and the time in replying to me.What  mite wind up happening is I'll set up the front suspension to match the stock rear susp articulation.I have 4 link with panhard stock in back with coil springs.If the front axle doesn't move up and down perfect and moves front to back a little, I can compensate with a slip yoke 2 piece drive shaft.Well thanks again. 

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Re: S.A.S,four point or leafs
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2009, 05:50:51 PM »
that car sways some but its stiing on a fullset of tracker springs ft on botom rears on top for the ft  no sway bar  as for the bending I have not bent any think and have bounced in some rocks been bottomed out going ovr steep hills but I built in the brace that looks like ladder bar  and that gives alot of xta strength .if a modified version with better ends, springs was built It would be tough enuff for just about anything if you are really woried there is some stout tube out there
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Re: S.A.S,four point or leafs
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2009, 03:46:53 AM »
Thanks again rick for the info and pics.I'm going to start looking for parts and start drawing on some paper.I have the cross member that will have to be modified to allow drive shaft movement when axle moves up & down.I'm thinking about a high pinion toyo for the front to keep u joint binding to a minimum.I'll have some time next weekend off to do some measurements to see how much room I have to work with on tire size and articulation clearance.This going to turn out to be a job of a project but I'll have some thing not seen every day were I live,A GV with SA and 6" of lift.Not a common site in florida.

Thanks to every one for responding, I look at  everyones response not just one or two and add them all together.That red 4 door tracker look nice with those boggers on there.Wish I could get them to clear my GV without removing the fenders.I'f they only had them in a 10" wide 33".When I'm done with my GV I'll post some pics if I can figure out how to post them on this forum.I've got to get a new welder,looking at a hobart 250 mig. Thats were my first 2g will go.

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Re: S.A.S,four point or leafs
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2009, 09:06:40 AM »
.I'f they only had them in a 10" wide 33".

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Re: S.A.S,four point or leafs
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2009, 01:20:30 AM »
Yep,found interco's  web site.They have a 33" bogger in a 10.5.Even have it to fit a 16x8 rim to witch is what I have on my stock GV.Thanks drone637,I'll have to do some measuring and see if I have to do a lot of work on the fenders to get them to clear.Had made up my mind to put a set of gateway mudders on it,33.2 x 8.7 - 16 or if I can get a 15 x 6 rim to fit I was going to go with 32.7 x 8.5 - 15.My dad has a sami and was going to test fit a set of his wheels on my rig to see if there was going to be any clearance problems.I'm thinking of going with a custom high pinion 8.8 ford axle up front to keep the angle down on the front drive shaft.It will add a few extra thou to the convertion but I can go bigger in the future plus give me back the 5 x 5.5 bolt pattern to maybe keep my set of stock wheels on it for now to run street tires  for non offroad driving and save my very expensive offroad tires for offroading.I don't like running $300 tires around town to look cool when there not needed.It takes maybe 30 min to swap out a set of tires.In stead of a set lasting a year they should last  a couple years or more.

Well thanks for the info.
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