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Offline Natebert

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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2004, 10:15:47 AM »
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And where I live So is jumping! ;D


HEY, we still jump ours too!
It just jumps a lot easier now due to the soft springs!
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2004, 10:18:25 AM »
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And where I live, high speed cornering is really important!   ;)


Cornering is really important for us too, our highspeed just changed to a lot slower of a highspeed.  (AKA slow)  
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2004, 01:44:49 PM »
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36s on the street huh. I can barely pull my Radial 35s with 5.83 gears. Dont Scout gears only go to 5.12? If so mabey Toyota axles are more up your alley?  :-/ They can run gears as low as 5.71. Thats really not low enough either. Ideally you would want 6.50. However mabey you could go with an OTT setup like heather did and run 5.12s in the scout axles.

Mike

i'm running 34's with 5.12's on my stick so i think 36's would be cake with some thing like 5.83's.  and the high pinion D44 only go up to 5.12's.
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2004, 01:46:42 PM »
and if i would have had a 4 door i would have put 2 cases in but i'm not long enought.  i am thinking about taking out my tranny and t case and putting a 2WD  tracker tranny in with a sammy case behide it.

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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2004, 03:56:19 PM »
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and if i would have had a 4 door i would have put 2 cases in but i'm not long enought.  i am thinking about taking out my tranny and t case and putting a 2WD  tracker tranny in with a sammy case behide it.

stu

I think the ott setup would actually be shorter than that. The 2wd tracker trans has a long snout on the end of it.  :-/

Mike
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2004, 08:24:37 PM »
I would go for it. I know that I'll get crap for saying this, but in my mind the only rig that should keep its IFS is a Hummer. I know there are alot of very capable Track/Kick, Vitaras, GVs, and XL7s, but all things bieng equal (tire size, gearing, ect.), a SAS Kick will out-wheel one with IFS. The IFS is too much of a on-road compromise, in my mind. I really like the newer 4 door Vitaras but I wouldn't buy one unless I had a SAS ready to go in it. Plus the extra width of a Dana 44 will give you more perceived axle articulation. Like I said I will get crap for saying this, but it's my opinion on IFS- I'd do the same thing to a Chevy as well.
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2004, 10:25:13 PM »
Hey Nate,
Would your set up handle the force of 36's without snapping axle shafts? :-/ I know a locked, geared, stock Kick shaft would never hold up to those Kind of forces. They can barely (and sometimes dont) handle 33's >:( That was thr reasoning for me staying with 33's when I bought new tires ( I have plenty of clearance for 35's)

1BigT,
There are two Jeeps in my club with 6cyl's, lifted, locked. geared and running 37's on scout D-44 axles and they break axles and U-Joints all the time. So stronger U-Joints and shafts may be needed depending on how hard you drive on the trail. The bad part is usually they are not hammering it when they break, mild hopping while in the rocks and there goes an axle :-/ I've been thinking of doing something like this with my 2wd tracker to see if I like it but I will have to do lots of research before I jump into a project that big.

Zig
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2004, 11:30:29 PM »
oh i have seen one truck do a good hop and i step off the gas when that happens.  he snaped a frnt drive shaft and rotated his rear end all at once.  i am vary carefull about that.

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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2004, 01:51:44 AM »
As far as SAS and go fast, as long as you put the right springs on it, (over 200lb coils) and run adjustable shocks,
(maybe a sway bar and quick disco's)
you could still go fast.
the problem is when you set up a rig for rockcrawling
the suspension usally isn't good for high speed.

With mine I wouldn't jump it unless I had limiting straps and
Good bumpstops or stiffer springs. But I got over that stuff years ago so I prefer to just drive over things.

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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2004, 03:46:42 AM »
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Hey Nate,
Would your set up handle the force of 36's without snapping axle shafts? :-/ I know a locked, geared, stock Kick shaft would never hold up to those Kind of forces. They can barely (and sometimes dont) handle 33's >:( That was thr reasoning for me staying with 33's when I bought new tires ( I have plenty of clearance for 35's)

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Zig


To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure.  
When we went to Moab we brought 5 extra axles with the idea that the extra gears would snap axles like a toothpick.  We've got an overall crawl ratio of 179:1 with our 33s and much to our suprise we gently Moab'ed without breakage just fine.  

We've since then hit it MUCH harder here, (highspeed, highpower, bouncing, etc) closer to home and haven't snapped anything yet.

I've got a buddy who's got 35s on his stock Kick rear shafts (locked) and has been wheeling hard for a year without problems.   (He drives a YJ sprung Samura with a 1.6l, and nearly the same setup as us.)

I think the important thing to keep in mind is that these setups are on leaf springs, which allow the axle/housing to 'wrap'.  Essentially it provides some give instead of the hard and inflexiable setup a link and coil suspension would provide to the axles.

~Nate

Anybody else with experience with both types of setup want to step in here?

« Last Edit: May 20, 2004, 03:52:14 AM by natebert »
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2004, 04:29:27 AM »
Cool, I did not think of the spring wrap allowing some relief. I've broken 2 rears and when I did my rotation, the splines were partially twisted so I replaced them. I still think I will use Hagen's 9" plan If I break another one.
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2004, 04:39:24 AM »
We've broken axles on 31s when on the coil ssuspension using a mini-spool.   We've also twisted splines, when totally open in the diff on 33s.  I would think that the coil suspension on stock axles with 35s would break axles pretty easily.

If we break axles with the 33s or even 36s on the leaf springs, we may still go down that 9" road too as I understand you can get them in 30 spline setups with 5.12s  (makes it almost too easy).

~Nate
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2004, 04:44:01 AM »
 I almost forgot,  
;DSAS IS FOR GIRLS!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2004, 05:04:30 AM »
I say that the best is to get an Anvil and a steel third member.If you have 5,83's put 32 or 33". Or if you want not to add so much weight on the sensitive front system,make custom 16" rims with enough off set (I know someone that did this) and put 235/85/16.Its aprox 32" but half weight of a 33x12.5x15
The mods that are needed for a custom SAS kit are too much according to my opinion and the result is uncertain.The overall final cost too.
After I put the Anvil and a GV steel third member I only broke a halfshaft once(I have LSD 75% front,31x10,5x15,Detroit locker rear and 5,83s).There's nothing else that can be damaged,I believe.I hink that that tires over 33" dont help a sidekick to be competitive.the opposite.
Finally ,of course I believe that a SAS kit is the best ,and I want to put such kit on my sidekick.But I preffer to use a tested kit so I ll have to wait for the Calmini SAS kit.Till then the Anvil and a steel 3rd member is the best and cheapest solution to strengthen the front system.
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Re: should i go SAS or not???
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2004, 05:12:46 AM »
I was just thinking when I did my old coil Sammi, I used a rear sidekick diff and housing, and cut the outer ends off and used the outside housing sections from a sammi front to build my front housing, I can not remeber how long the long side of the axle is on the Sammi, but if you ran two longs you could build a housing and use exsisting Sammi axles if it was not too long and have a centered housing, The sidegears were interchangable between the front and the rear so the spline count matched the axles.

Mac

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