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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2007, 06:37:14 PM »
whats the top speed of a samurai???? just for info... (dont plan to try it)

and, friends are gay and say I should get a 5 speed. Bad idea?

repeating question :D

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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2007, 06:41:46 PM »
uphill or downhill????????????????
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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2007, 07:55:59 PM »
I have a stock 86 tin-top with not so correct vacuum lines (yet). I can normally hold 70 on the flat but maybe 65 on a mild incline. I know it could be better. Downhill- probably 80+. I haven't taken it all the way up because the engines really turning.

I like the sammy because the parts are cheap and everything is pretty simple. If you plan on doing alot of off roading, you better have a good job for  buying parts. Make sure you take the auto shop class and get some experienced help when you can. Also, learn to weld so you can do your own mods or repairs. Off- roading is expensive.  If you plan on a daily driver you may find yourself bumming a ride when things break.

Get what you like but know it's limits.  Best bet is to find one that has a lot of mods already and buy it for cheaper than doing all the mods. You can still do mods but this will save you.  You're a student which means that summer is coming up so you can pretty much buy one from anyone here or on ebay or craigslist and actually have the time to go and get it. Just keep doing your homework.

I bought my samurai because I thought they were cool since I first test drove a new 88 back when I was 22. I wanted it but it was impractical for a family at the time.

Good luck!

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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2007, 05:09:20 AM »
whats the top speed of a samurai???? just for info... (dont plan to try it)

and, friends are gay and say I should get a 5 speed. Bad idea?

repeating question :D

I don't think the Samurai was ever sold in the US with an auto.
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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2007, 05:14:59 AM »
whats the top speed of a samurai???? just for info... (dont plan to try it)

and, friends are gay and say I should get a 5 speed. Bad idea?

I had my perfectly stock 1994 EFI Samurai up to 100 mph on I-684.  Once.  I would not, and never did, do that again.

I don't suggest to try it either.

As for the Tranny, all Sammy's are stick.  That being said, when you grow with it and possible get into ROCKCRAWLING, you'll prolly want to swap in an auto.

Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2007, 05:26:50 AM »
I am going to have to disagree... Track/kicks are on their way....

We have different opinions, but mine's more correct. LOL  :P  If you look at the aftermarket support alone, the Sammy rules, and prolly always will.  Even Jeeper's find the Sammy attactive, but usually have no feeling for the Sidekick.  Many consider building a Sammy for what it is, most do not think the same for the Kickers.  The fact that the Samurai is rarer than the Sidekick will aid in it iconic statuer.

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Track/kicks would be great to wheel. More up to date... comfortable!!! ect,ect,ect...

Sammy is more fun out of the box IMHO.

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Do a solid axle on a kick and put it against a sami.... hhhmmm....

And the average Joe would prolly still find the Samurai cooler.

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the only thing the sami would have on it would be cool points... And cool points don't help get you over the obsticle any more...

But cooler makes you an icon, like Jimmy Dean or Steve McQueen.  You just made my point.

Rock on! ;D

p.s.  I hope you're taking this ribbing in fun.  In fact, let's make this a poll.

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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2007, 08:21:53 AM »
i bought my tin top sammi as my first ride... love it, 5 speed, spoa, 31s, weber carb, thourly header, tons of other stuff, i am glad i bought it... did all the work myself, didnt spend a ton of money... i was offered double what i payed+ put into it

than a few weeks ago i bought my second ride... another sammi. 88.5 model, full size axles toy drivshafts, rear rad, lockers, and iam building a double t-case set up for it .... just as a bush truck

i would defentaly buy another  sammi for my first ride if i had to do it again, cheaper on gas, turns people heads... really stands out at school, everyother kid drives some riced out droped out junk, so a nice lifted sammi just plan old sticks out LOL

and if subs and loud bass are your kind of thing to... i built a custom box, and amp rack type thing for mine, huge comp amp that puts out over 2000watts rms LOL... makes the tin top rattel pretty good hehe
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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2007, 08:54:42 AM »
I just got my first sammy a while back, i like it a lot.  Even stock it seems to do really well off road, little bit of ground clearance problems but thats nothing a SPOA and some toyota axles cant solve  ;D

I would say go with a sammy and as everyone before me said, There are tons and tons of parts for them and they are all quite cheap.
I really have nothing against track/kicks, im just turned off by IFS.  Soilds axles just seem, smipler, stronger, and a hell of a lot easyer to modify.

About having an automatic tranny in a sammy, if you have low enough gears, it pretty much is an automatic, you dont have to do to much work to get it going, and its very hard to stall.

Go for the manual, give it a week tops and you will be pro at it.

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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2007, 09:11:30 AM »
The trackers are cheaper around here i picked up a 95 with the 1.6 16valve in it with no rust but i did have to replace the top but no big deal i knocked the guy down from $1500 to $1300 so it gave me alittle leway for the top. also the tracker would be much better for the road the. i had a samarai and it had 30s on it and it might do 65 down hill. my tracker with 30s and a 2in bodylift will do 85+mph no problem. If i were you i would try to find a tracker with the 16v and throw on 2in coil spacers from a tj, crown vic shocks and a strut mount flip and some 30s or 31s and have a nice road worthy yet offroad worthy vehicle.

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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2007, 11:18:00 AM »
Case for the Sami

A Sami is a great first vehicle if you're a "tinkerer" and like to fix / modify things yourself (with a vehicle this old, you'll almost always be fixing or modifying something). It's easier than the Tracker / Sidekick (Trackick) to work on. It's also severely underpowered for freeway use, and you're NOT going to win any races EVER in it. It's cargo space is SEVERELY limited. If you're happy driving slow, knowing you're going to kick everyone's ass off road - this is the vehicle for you.

With your budget, what I'd spend my $$$ on:
* If you're more interested in looks than function, get a lift and 31 / 32" tires. You'll loose about 5 MPG, fry your clutch quicker, increase your chance of breaking things on your drive line, and go 50 MPH uphill on the freeway. But, you'll look really cool in your lifted / big tire / I look like I'm in a mini CJ-5 look.

* If you're more interested in off road function, and making people go "Holy *&^, did that little thing just do that?" and still having a prayer at doing 65 MPH comfortably on the freeway - lock your front and rear diffs, and get some aggressive 235/75/15 Mudd Terrain (MT) tires (which are 2" bigger than stock, don't require a lift to clear them, won't totally suck your remaining HP or add significant stress to the drive line). Also, do the Rears Up Front (RUF) conversion that allows you to use the much larger rear springs (from a doner vehicle) in the front of your vehicle - much better ride / articulation for cheap.

Lockers in order from cheapest to more expensive (but still in your budget): Welded gears (free if you have friend with welder), spool ($100), lockrite ($200) per diff.

Also consider being PATIENT, and looking at craigslist for the right Samurai to come your way. I have seen some very well built Sami's go for cheap in my area ($3000 for a fully lifted sami on 31" tires, SPOA lift, locked diffs, and rebuilt engines). As a general rule of thumb, you get back about 25-50% of what you put into a custom vehicle. In other words - if you put $2000 worth of lift / tires / lockers on your vehicle, you're only going to add about $500 - $1000 to the sale price of your rig. Take advantage of someone else taking the "loss" and buy one already built for MUCH less than what you'd pay to do it yourself.

Case for the Tracker / Sidekick (Trackick)

This may be more in your budget than you think. I just purchased a Tracker with 115,000 miles on it for $1900 (asking price was $3500).

You won't be winning any drag races in this one either, but it's extra power is IMMEDIATELY noticeable.  It's also a much better wheeler than a lot of people give it credit for, and a lot cheaper to do a 29-31" tire-clearance lift on (much more expensive to do a 33" + tire-clearing lift on). My kick feels MUCH more stable than either of my sami's did, and the suspension feels much better. Take a look around - MANY of the Sami mods are stealing Kick parts (disk breaks, engine / transmission, power steering) because the kick is a better running vehicle with more power.

A Trackick benifits from modern engineering (fuel injection, better suspension, air conditioning, power steering, air bags, more reliable, better MPG & more power). However, with more modern components comes greater complexity in troubleshooting. Then again - sometimes the engine "self diagnoses" - you can just plug in a code reader (free at a lot of auto parts stores) and it'll tell you what's wrong... IF it's smart enough to know. The sami is still easier to work on though, as there's less electronics, sensors etc to worry about. That said, Kicks are more "reliable" because they're newer.

Unfortunately the styling of the tracker is "out of date" compared to the Samurai - which is gaining in popularity again as people are starting to like the "square" look again. If you're more interested in spending less $$$ on gas, keeping up on the freeway, having a smoother ride, and much more cargo space - the Trackick is for you.

What I'd spend my $$$ on:
With a kick, you have more power, so you can go to bigger tires without AS much of a loss. To clear 31" tires, you can do a little trimming, and / or throw in a little dough nut looking thing on the top of your springs (cost = $200 - 300, much cheaper than sami lifts). Welded diffs are still free, spool is still $100, but the lockrite goes up to $300. I'd still stick with 29 / 30" tires and a locker - you'd be AMAIZED at how much more economical / better this setup will be than a big lift / big tires / open diffs will be... you keep your low center of gravity, and all your horse power isn't sucked up by big tires.



I've fallen in love with every samurai and ever tracker I've owned. Each one has it's own personality, but both have been great offroad, and fantastic "starter" 4x4 vehicles. You have to decide which things are most important to you in a vehicle (vanity, power, ease of maintainence). Each one just "leans" more one way or than the other.
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Re: Samurai questions
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2007, 12:40:50 PM »
Wow, thanks for all the info...

I got some stuff to kind of help me through all this "learn to weld" "if you want a sound system" etc....

My brother is majorly obsessed with subs/amps/and other sound equiptment, my brothers friend loves offroading and another on of his friends is a mechanic and is a VERY good welder. Lastly my friends cousin owns 4 cars and is another offroad "feind" :P

Anyways, I'll keep an eye out on Craigslist and buysell... I can't see myself triving a track or kick(well defianetly not the tracker, maybe a kick...) its just... not the kind of thing I like, I can't really explain it I just don't like them. I am a handson kind of guy but I can't say I can weld nor know much about the engine of a vehicle; however, I do plan to do my... studying?... on these things from now until my N test and afterwards. I'm very interested in it right now. So yea, I'm a noob, I was looking around at samurai videos on youtube and came across this DvD on offroad training, I don't know who made is or how I can get it, maybe someone could help me find it?

Thanks again for all your help guys....
But I do have one more question. What year/model would be the most understandable for budget (which has now been moved up to 4500$ :D) and you know, onroad driving? Ofcoarse understanding that I live in canada it might be hard for me to find certain models of the Samurai (EX: Coily)... so help again,

THANKS
-FrEaK "A.K.A." Mike

EDIT: I found the link, anyone know where I can buy this? looks old and somewhat cheesy but I'm sure it would help me.

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