i was wondering if it would  be worth the time and effort to design a complete drop in rock solid ifs system for a kick. i have some ideas . target price around 1000.00 or less.    stan

I am curious!

Are we talking single or double wishbone? what would be included?

I really like ifs, what would be involved?

OK - I'm going to ask - what would the advantage be?

I drive a GrandVitara which comes with IFS and the impression I get reading the different forums is that, at least for off road use, IFS should be avoided.  There seems to be a whole host of problems associated with IFS especially when body/suspension lifts are done and the ultimate seems to be a solid axle swap, and now for the first time I'm seeing someone looking to go the other way.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just being curious

Being mechanically challenged somewhat.   How hard would the swap be once I buy the kit?

That said I think it is a great idea and would be interested in it.

If it is as strong as a Solid axle swap then the Return on Investment would work great since a solid swap is a few thousand plus

Talk to us Stan, I'm very interrested.

   Hey fordem Shannon cambell built a ifs rig for King of the Hammers.


    Kevin

im looking at building a housing, for the 7.5 r/p, different inner axles , toy cvs. should be  bolt in.   stan

Rock 4x Fab is supposedly working on a IFS lift. But, I think he gets distracted with other projects and has temporarily abandoned the lift kit. If you can beat him to market, I know there's a lot of people out there waiting for his lift.

I drive a GrandVitara which comes with IFS and the impression I get reading the different forums is that, at least for off road use, IFS should be avoided.

IFS has advantages, solid has advantages. Just depends on what you're doing, if you plan on doing the re-doing suspension more than once, how complicated of a build you want to do etc etc...

IFS whoops solid suspension at speed, and holds it's own in rocks just fine. I watched an IFS rig pass 2 vehicles in a SHORT section of BIG rocks 'casue he was able to take different lines, and the suspension moves SOOOOO much easier.









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Note how many IFS rigs are here: http://www.rpm4x4.com/specs-mike.shtml. And, one of the most famous zook IFS rigs: http://www.izook.com/features/kickin/kickin.htm.

im not going to do a llift just a front diff, axles, housing.  to make the front end stronger.  stan

$1000 seems a bit steep. The aluminum front can be strengthened, or replaced with a Toyota or Grand Vitara steel front. The CV's can be replaced with Toyota CV (which is what the orange rig above is using, and his club is using, and they run 40" tires with great success). The big trick is getting the Toyota CV to play nice with the Suzuki hub / knuckle (is it called a knuckle? kingpin?). Actually, I'd love to see a swap that converts to Toyota front steel housing, CV & bolt pattern, so I can toss in a Toyota rear and open up a much larger aftermarket world of gears / lockers / etc... and still be IFS in the front.

Someone used to sell some kinda adaptor to make the toy CV work with the Suzuki stuff, but... he's vanished & doesn't respond to PM or order requests anymore  :'(

im not going to do a llift just a front diff, axles, housing.  to make the front end stronger.  stan

I converted a sami rear end to a IFS for my tracker.  I broke my one extended diff mount, and then the CV.  I limped out of the woods, but used the unbroken side twice to get out.

It is a lot stronger than the aluminum one.

$1000 seems a bit steep. The aluminum front can be strengthened, or replaced with a Toyota or Grand Vitara steel front. The CV's can be replaced with Toyota CV (which is what the orange rig above is using, and his club is using, and they run 40" tires with great success). The big trick is getting the Toyota CV to play nice with the Suzuki hub / knuckle (is it called a knuckle? kingpin?). Actually, I'd love to see a swap that converts to Toyota front steel housing, CV & bolt pattern, so I can toss in a Toyota rear and open up a much larger aftermarket world of gears / lockers / etc... and still be IFS in the front.

Someone used to sell some kinda adaptor to make the toy CV work with the Suzuki stuff, but... he's vanished & doesn't respond to PM or order requests anymore  :'(

Who do you think builds that stuff?

It sounds like a solid plan Stan and knowing your stuff it will be a good thing 

Someone used to sell some kinda adaptor to make the toy CV work with the Suzuki stuff, but... he's vanished & doesn't respond to PM or order requests anymore  :'(

 

I'm interested.

im not going to do a llift just a front diff, axles, housing.  to make the front end stronger.  stan

This actually brings up another question for me - again, it's based on what I read - and for those of you who wonder why my questions are based on what I read, I've had my GV for just over two months, and there are no off road clubs out here for me to see what other folks have done, so I get what information I can from the internet and guys like you.

Any way - back to the question - I get the impression that the GV's alloy front diff is not that strong (and yes, mine has an alloy diff), but, it's usually not a problem until folks start to lift things and run bigger tires, etc. - so - am I labouring under a misconception or is there really a need for a stronger IFS if it's not going to be lifted?