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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #105 on: January 21, 2005, 12:46:17 AM »
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You know what makes me mad about all this is that no one sells this stuff.


Well, I believe that will change in March.
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #106 on: January 21, 2005, 12:53:06 AM »
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Well, I believe that will change in March.

Don't tease me  ;)
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #107 on: January 21, 2005, 02:18:52 AM »
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Don't tease me


No teasing - Kerry is doing the Tora Tora axles - he says production in March.
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #108 on: January 21, 2005, 06:56:43 AM »
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No teasing - Kerry is doing the Tora Tora axles - he says production in March.


My only problem with this that I have an XL-7 no anvil for me  >:( unless I could talk some one into mod-ing one to fit.
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #109 on: January 21, 2005, 06:58:49 AM »
XL7 I thought your front end chunk and housing were already Steel?
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #110 on: January 21, 2005, 07:10:30 AM »
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My only problem with this that I have an XL-7 no anvil for me  >:( unless I could talk some one into mod-ing one to fit.
George


I don't think Tora axles (unless they are longer then stock ones ?) would work on a XL 7 even if you could get an Anvil in it. The G/V axles are longer by 38mm's over a stock 1600 axle then they have a different spline just to make things more complicated  ???
 



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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #111 on: January 21, 2005, 07:30:42 AM »
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I don't think Tora axles (unless they are longer then stock ones ?) would work on a XL 7 even if you could get an Anvil in it. The G/V axles are longer by 38mm's over a stock 1600 axle then they have a different spline just to make things more complicated  ???



The size wouldn't be that big of a deal to work around.  But the splines I thought where the same?
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #112 on: January 21, 2005, 07:48:36 AM »
Sorry I should have been more clear,

The spline on the end of the axle it self is different, the axle looks bigger in diameter until you pull the C/V boot off it then you notice it's shoulder down to near the size of the 1600 axle where it fits into the C/V but with much finer spline. The spline for the FWH's and 26 spline diff are the same.

The outer C/Vs are the same dimensions as mine and would work but the inner right would not be able to used (with a stock kick diff with 26 spline side gears) as it has the off set for the G/V air actuated diff, not that I'd need the right as I was looking at using these with the anvil.

Until I get my Anvil (hopefully a week or two) I won't know if I can use  them with the extra 38mm of length, Mike - would you know if longer axles will work with 3" lift and the Anvil or will they create  more problems ?
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #113 on: January 21, 2005, 11:06:57 AM »
If I recall correctly, you are most likely not refering to an american production XL-7...  

Air Actuated Diff ?   I'd like to see pics of that.  Ã‚ 
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« Reply #114 on: January 22, 2005, 02:53:31 AM »
It seems that the week link in the CV half shaft is the inner Cup. It's maximum angle is less than the outer and seems to be weaker. All the stronger cv's I have seen use that design as well.

Has anyone thought of or tried using two outer style CV's with a slip spline axle in the middle?

It seems to me that this would provide better operating angles, better reliablity, and strength.

Granted this would be a custom axle as it does not seem to exist in nature, however if it cured the breakage /articulation challenges we have without completely redesigning the front drivetrain it might be worth looking at.

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Re: now Front Axle Engineering
« Reply #115 on: January 22, 2005, 03:20:26 AM »
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It seems that the week link in the CV half shaft is the inner Cup. It's maximum angle is less than the outer and seems to be weaker. All the stronger cv's I have seen use that design as well.

Has anyone thought of or tried using two outer style CV's with a slip spline axle in the middle?

It seems to me that this would provide better operating angles, better reliablity, and strength.

Granted this would be a custom axle as it does not seem to exist in nature, however if it cured the breakage /articulation challenges we have without completely redesigning the front drivetrain it might be worth looking at.

Dave

Wild's posted about using two outer Tracker CVs and a slipshaft from a sammy, but I believe he mentioned that the slipshaft would be too big (diameter or length, I'm not sure... maybe both) to work... this is where a centered diff would come in handy... having the axles come straight out of the pumpkin rather than having a 2 foot wide differential housing.
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #116 on: January 22, 2005, 04:44:58 AM »
I do remember that, I didn't remember the part about the sami slip splines being to long.

Because the standard Cup only allows for about 3" of travel I would guess that you only would need 5 or 6 inches to really have something.

I think the Sami driveshaft slip splines are a good choice. as it keeps it in the family so to speak.

because they are going to have to be welded onto the current axle shaft, I think the slip spline could be cut down to whatever length is needed.

Now if they are too big around that is a different story.

Dave
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #117 on: January 22, 2005, 04:49:20 AM »
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I do remember that, I didn't remember the part about the sami slip splines being to long.

Because the standard Cup only allows for about 3" of travel I would guess that you only would need 5 or 6 inches to really have something.

I think the Sami driveshaft slip splines are a good choice. because they are going to have to be welded onto the current axle shaft, I think the slip spline could be cut down to whatever length is needed.

Dave

I still think if you're gonna go through with all that work, it'd be more beneficial to just make a custom centered diff so that you have longer CV's which will result in decreased axle angle and shouldn't need as long a slip joint to operate properly.
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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #118 on: January 22, 2005, 05:14:07 AM »
Maybe your right, I have to agree that in a "perfect world" that a shortened  housing is the best solution. I am really thinking about a solution for people who don't want to completely reengineer the front axle assembly.

Granted the shortened axle solution is probably the one I am going to choose for lil Suzy as well.

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Re: Evil Seed:  9 Inch Anvil?
« Reply #119 on: January 22, 2005, 02:21:29 PM »
My slip shaft solution was in conjunction with a
widened front A-arm setup, a total of 4-5 " now
if you have seen a Track/Kick front housing you
know it's not very big, and the additional 2 or so
inches, along with the removed CV cup, you now
have gained a longer CV shaft, about 4" per side,
and about the same as you will gain with a centered
front diff, with out all the hacking and welding.

This would be a bolt in and removeable setup, so
it could be moved to another vehicle, or heaven
forbid, you descide to change back to stock configuration

Zukizzy and I have talked about front drivelines (halfshafts) and I think we can come up with a
solution that will be Zuk based soon

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