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Offline Jluck

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2011, 08:24:06 PM »
thank you for all the input, it sounds like there is no perfect solution to the problem without spending a ton of money, it feels like maybe the best thing would be scraping out the calmini 6 inch lift and getting a straight axel kit, or selling it and starting over??? :(


the actual problem is lack of power, is it not? why not a motor swap? a sas kit is not a cheap solution especially if you just have to go and re-gear it too?

add more H.P and keep the gearing as-is and still get some decent fuel mileage.? just a thought.....
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2011, 08:44:41 PM »
You will spend lots less improving the power with a turbo setup
than a SAS, which is still not going to address the power issue.

If you have a 16V engine it's a much easier, and cheaper alternative
than a V6 or a SAS.

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2011, 05:28:29 AM »
Or you could just stick a 3 speed auto trans in it and keep your 5.125's and run 32's.

Why would this help?  No matter whether he currently has the 4 speed auto or the 5 speed manual, he could just run them either with the OD locked out (3rd in a 4 speed is a 1:1 ratio, just like 3rd in the 3 speed auto), or in 4th gear (4th in the 5 speed is a 1:1 ratio).

If for example he has a 5 speed manual now, he has the 5.125 axles correct? With my 3 speed auto, I swapped in a set of the 5.125 to replace my standard 4.30's and it was plenty of final drive reduction to pull 32's, before the turbo. Still not fast or paticularly powerful, b ut hey , these things stock are more economical than powerful. I think the auto transmission with it's torque converter just pulls better with less stress on other components.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2011, 05:51:42 PM »
Or you could just stick a 3 speed auto trans in it and keep your 5.125's and run 32's.

Why would this help?  No matter whether he currently has the 4 speed auto or the 5 speed manual, he could just run them either with the OD locked out (3rd in a 4 speed is a 1:1 ratio, just like 3rd in the 3 speed auto), or in 4th gear (4th in the 5 speed is a 1:1 ratio).

If for example he has a 5 speed manual now, he has the 5.125 axles correct? With my 3 speed auto, I swapped in a set of the 5.125 to replace my standard 4.30's and it was plenty of final drive reduction to pull 32's, before the turbo. Still not fast or paticularly powerful, b ut hey , these things stock are more economical than powerful. I think the auto transmission with it's torque converter just pulls better with less stress on other components.

Yeah, he has a 95 4 door, so it will have 5.12 gears, no matter what tranny he has.
Again, I can't see how swapping in a 3 speed auto will make it drive/pull any better than with whatever tranny he has now.  Yes, starting out from a dead stop with a manual might be kinda doggy, but once he is rolling, it shouldn't be that big of a deal, and doesn't warrant a 3 speed tranny swap, IMO.
Yes, he could go to 5.38 or 5.62 gears, but that won't be as big of a jump as you when you went from 4.30s to 5.12s (which is what really saved you when you went to 32s with a stock 1.6, IMO....not the auto tranny).
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2011, 08:27:24 PM »
I wasn't aware the 4 doors came with 5.125 and an auto trans. I only suggested this because I thought he had a manual trans. It sure was a big jump going form 4.30 to 5.125, almost TOO much. Sometimes I think I'd be better off, especially on the highway with 4.62's. I still feel overgeared, 4k to run 70mph.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2011, 08:31:22 PM »
Really, My trucklet stock ran at 4K |removethispart|@70 MPH and the speedo
was off by about 2-3 MPH, after changing to 235 tires the speedo
was 100% correct and the RPM dropped about 200, still a little
much on the revs, but these engines seem to do just fine with it

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2011, 08:47:23 PM »
I wasn't aware the 4 doors came with 5.125 and an auto trans. I only suggested this because I thought he had a manual trans. It sure was a big jump going form 4.30 to 5.125, almost TOO much. Sometimes I think I'd be better off, especially on the highway with 4.62's. I still feel overgeared, 4k to run 70mph.

I don't actually know what tranny he has, since he hasn't ever said.  But yes, all 4 doors (92-98) had 5.12 gears and either had a 4 speed auto or 5 speed manual tranny.  The only ones that didn't were the 91 4 doors which all had the 1.6 8V engine and either 4.62 gears (3 speed auto tranny), or 5.38 gears (5 speed tranny).
4K isn't bad for RPMs at 70.  Most 4 doors (92-98) run 3600-3800RPM at 70, depending on tire size (stock, or slightly bigger than stock).
One other note....the 5 speeds that came behind 16V engines had a .795 5th gear ratio and the 5 speeds that came behind 8V engines had the .86 5th gear ratio.  That makes for about a 300RPM difference at highway speeds (65ish).  The trannys are 100% interchangable though.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2011, 09:03:38 PM »
Hey SkyHi, do you happen to know the gear ratios of the 8V and 16V trans
in 1-4 gears? are they the same or is there a hot setup for tall tires with
lower 1-4 as well as 5th gear???

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2011, 09:06:52 PM »
Hey SkyHi, do you happen to know the gear ratios of the 8V and 16V trans
in 1-4 gears? are they the same or is there a hot setup for tall tires with
lower 1-4 as well as 5th gear???

Wild


They are identical.  I don't know the exact ratios off the top of my head, but I do know they are identical between the two.  Like I said, same exact trannys, just a different 5th gear cluster.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2011, 05:15:03 AM »
I have a 5 speed manual trans,  the problem lies in I dont have the power to shift into 5th gear and very sluggish up hills if i have to excellerate, you guys think the turbo with work,  is there any kits for it??

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2011, 07:05:47 PM »
Oh yeah, the turbo really works.  ;) Well worth the effort. Wild makes turbo manifolds, and can probably hook you up. No complete kits that I know of, but it's been done enough times and theres enough information here to get the job done. Most of the bugs have been worked out of turbocharging these engines , especially if yours is a 16v.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2011, 10:41:55 PM »
it is a 16 valve, anyone have any info its much appreciated

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2011, 08:34:38 AM »
I believe the manual tranny ratios 1-4 are  3.65 first, 1.95 second, 1.37 third, 1.0 fourth.  I use this site to find ratios and setup final rpms at certain speeds.  http://www.grimmjeeper.com/gears.html
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