Alrighty... the more I think about turbo'ing the Tracker, the more tempting it gets. But I have some questions about turbocharging the 1.6.

First, what's the better platform for boost? The 8 valve or 16 valve? I remember Wild saying something about setting up a 16v head... is that for the multiport EFI? Is the 16 valve head just better flowing/more effecient? What about the bottom ends, are there any significant differences in internal and block strengths?

Second, I read in a thread over at Pirate that you can use Honda D16 pistons in the 1.6L... because of the tuner market, I assume that forged pistons for the Honda are cheaper than forged pistons made specifically for the kick engine. Also, are forged pistons really needed? I don't want to get huge horsepower numbers, just a little extra power, but I do want to be able to beat the piss out of this engine without having to be always worried about major breakages.

Third, injectors: What kind of fuel injectors/fuel pumps be needed to run with the added airflow?

Fourth, the Megasquirt; educate me. I know it's an engine management deal that replaces the stock computer, but is it a unit that you buy already assembled and then just wire it into your sensors/injectors, or do you have to assemble it yourself? How complex is this procedure? Can someone with a basic understanding of most of the concepts involved with a wiring schematic in hand wire it up to work properly?

I think those are all the questions that I have right now... I was thinking about this all night at work

Well, I can answer SOME of these questions, while we're waiting for Darin to wake up.  The Mega-Squirt is a KIT.  You solder the integrated circuits, and components onto the printed circuit board(s), THEN wire it into your rig.  There is a guy that's building them, and selling them assembled, if I recall correctly.

I was talking to Hugh Reynolds at Reynolds Machine - he "builds" Suzuki Engines - He figures he can take a 1.6/16 up to about 140 Horsepower without any problem - the bottom end is strong enough.

I can't answer the rest of your questions positively, so I'll wait for more experienced feedback from others.

Well, I can answer SOME of these questions, while we're waiting for Darin to wake up.  The Mega-Squirt is a KIT.  You solder the integrated circuits, and components onto the printed circuit board(s), THEN wire it into your rig.  There is a guy that's building them, and selling them assembled, if I recall correctly.

I was talking to Hugh Reynolds at Reynolds Machine - he "builds" Suzuki Engines - He figures he can take a 1.6/16 up to about 140 Horsepower without any problem - the bottom end is strong enough.

I can't answer the rest of your questions positively, so I'll wait for more experienced feedback from others.

Personally I wouldn't buy another Hugh Reynolds Special 1.6/8, yes the thing has 150 HP and not 140 HP but there's no torque. So when the work goes into a new motor I'll use the old one for a fishing weight.
{Worthless piece of crap and a waste of money...and you can take that one to the bank!}
~CZ

Here..
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=315025

Here,,
http://www.megasquirt.info/index.html

And Here,,

http://www.teamswift.net/

I'm working on a T3 Garrett with a intercooler out of an eclipse right now, for my 1.6 8V. I would much rather use a 16V ( multi-port, better internals, and breathing) But an 8V is what I have for now so F,,,,,it. I was going to box the weber but I have desided to switch to TB FI. Im going to use a MegaSquirt II for management B/C I just bought all the FI stuff but It didnt come with the computer anyway. They sell all the parts on that sight for about $140 but I'v seen them built for as low as $250 on E-bay. I'm just going to build a log style manifold with weld-el's but they sell them here.

http://www.turbinetech.ca/FrameEN.htm

Here's how you make your own,,

http://www.sdsefi.com/techheader.htm

Aside from that Im pretty sure I can get away with just a stronger fuel pump. But Im not sure If Ill need a fuel regulator/that dumps more fuel on boost,,,,like this one I was going to use with the carb, or iff the MegaSquirt can handle that.

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=4354&prmenbr=361

I'd most likely need a bigger injector too. All in all I'v only got $200 for the T3 shipped $26 for the IC shipped $30 for the mat. for the manifold $125 shipped for all of the FI stuff. So thats $381

And another $140 for the MS and most likely $115 for the regulator.

So thats about $636 (+-) But then I can sell my Weber, ported intake and header for about $300-400 bucks so its most likely gona cost less than $400 bucks.

O'yea this place has low comp pistons. $400 though.

http://suzukird1.netfirms.com/swift/gti/nfoscomm/catalog/index.php?cPath=7&osCsid=951587190245d5dd85e55993160ddfc1


I don't know about the honda stuff though,, there putting Vitara pistons in there crap.

The best platform is the 16V for it's flow,
but the best crank is the double counterweight
16V crank also, not that the earlier crank is
bad, but double weights is a smoother runner.

The bottom ends are the same in all 1.6L engines.

Forged pistons are stronger, and have a different
expansion rate than cast pistons (stock)

If you are going to get forged pistons, get the
low compression ones, you get more HP from
a low compression turbo engine, stock is 9.1:1
ideal would be 7.5-8:1, you will be able to force
more air and higher boost, and get more power,
as well as the torque will still be there.

Stock fuel pump is good enough, stock TBI injector
is not, and there is no way you can flow enough
fuel with it, no matter what pressure. It takes 4 times
the pressure to double the flow of any injector.

The stock fuel PSI regulator is a 1:1 ratio (on TBI)
so it will boost the fuel PSI to match the turbo boost.

If you go with an 8V intake TBI, you will need 4 extra injectors to feed the engine under boost, about 25-30
PPH will work fine, I found 17 PPH with the stock TBI
just enough, but not enough to run rich under boost.

CZ, the hughes engine is better suited to a street
application, any time you go from 80 to 150 HP the
ports are going to be so opened up the air flow under
NA conditions are going to suck until high RPM, now
it you mellow out the cam, and lower the CR and add
a turbo or supercharger, that engine will act totally
different, you might even like it. The engine will be
a boost dependent engine, but with a small quick
spooling turbo, it would be a rice killer.

Humzuki, don't build a log manifold, it's not a great
design, it will work, but it's got some problems too,
one is the space and location of the turbo, and if you
have power steering, the turbo needs to be higher.

You can't get a bigger TBI injector, and it's not worth
the $$ when you can get nice injectors for $5-10 from
the wrecking yard, these would normaly cost $50-80
from a rice tuner shop  Ford Turbo T-bird has 35 PPH
and 2.3L NA has 25 PPH, Mercuer (sp) XR4Ti has 35 PPH

MegaSquirt has an awsome how to assemble online manual, called the MegaManual, go thru assembly,
testing at the completion of the phases, so if somthing
is wrong, you find it at that stage and can check your
work, if you can read and follow directions, you can put
a MegaSquirt Together, the MegaManual also goes thru
tuning and setup to get you running fast, but you will
need a laptop for tuning, unless you want to put your
PC on the road with an invertor, get a cheap pentium
90 or 100 they work great for this application and should
be very cheap $$ (nobody wants them)

Boost On

Wild

Great Info Wildgoody,!!! Do you have any pic's of your setup? Especially your injectors.


O'yea I know log's are probably the worst style manifold, but I just want to get it all on there and working cheaply before I really get into dialing this system in and spending loot on an engine rebuild and nice new expensive stuff.

Darin, If I were to bolt a turbo on my 16-valve, would the stock injectors be adequate?

The seed is germinating!!!

I read a thread a thread on a Honda site about pistons. They are using Suzuki pistons for blown motors because they are stronger than the original Honda pistons and give a lower compression ratio. They are used as a cheap alternative to forged pistons. Using the Honda  forged pistons in a blown Zuk might not work as the CR could be too high, maybe they could be machined to suit.
It could mean that a Honda piston would make a good high CR piston for a normally aspirated Zook.
From what I read the Zuk little end might need to be bushed or bored and the valve cutouts would obviously also need to be checked.
The stock 16V injectors are unlikely to be suitable for a Turbo. To get the best low speed fuelling the injector size is usually chosen so its pretty much flat out at the point of max demand. Maybe Darin has tested them?

Darin, If I were to bolt a turbo on my 16-valve, would the stock injectors be adequate?

The seed is germinating!!!

No, 25-35 PPH should do the trick

Humzuk
check out my site
http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods

lots of drool stuff in there  

I have been for like a year now,,,,When are you going to update fool?

No, 25-35 PPH should do the trick

Care to put that in English?  Something like:

Bob, when you get to the point that you're actually going to put a turbo on, you'll have to replace your stock injectors with <insert brand and model here>, and all you have to do for that, is <show me and tell me, here>

So an 8v would do fine under a moderate amount of boost, but a 16v would be better, then? Is it worth switching to the 16v if I'm going after about 120hp, especially if overall cost is a concern? Will stock internals in either engine do the job for that power?

On the manifold, is it plausable to run the turbo on top... basically flipped over compared to yours to keep water and crap away from it? The guy with the turbo 4dr has a manifold like that. Where did you get the elbows to make your header, wild? Did you bend those yourself/have them bent for your project, or can you buy them? What kind of material is it?

Also, what's the best turbo to use in this application?

Intercoolers cool the air that goes from the turbo to the intake, correct? They're a good idea to have, correct? I remember you posted that your intercooler caught the debris when your bearing went out... seems like it'd be good to have just for that reason.

hey wild , im a little confused i think it mite be too much information too fast,ill probably figure it out later and feel stupid but ill ask annyway,

can you use mega-squirt on a tbi and run new (4) injectors and use your trottel body to regulate air only,kinda turning tbi into muilti port injectoin without turbo? or will the mega-squirt not do that , would it work w/out turbo ,are power increases worth the trouble w/out turbo.

I have been for like a year now,,,,When are you going to update fool?

I've been meaning to redo the whole
page, actually, I want to make it into
a main page with a pic of me doing a
huge burnout, and then some buttons
with more details in those pages

I need to do some updating of the info,
but the info there still is worth reading,
even tho it's dated,  Sorry