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Setting backlash and preload on rear diff after adding locker/spool/welding

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I have been playing with my extra 3rd members..  I am NOT a differential guy..  not an expert.

This is NOT about setting up new gears, or R&P's into different 3rds, or changing carriers..

This is JUST about getting the preload and lash BACK where it was before disassembly.

I have read about counting turns, and several other methods.. but I found this one to make more sense... please bear with me, and critique this if needed...

I played with this SEVERAL times over the rainy weekend, since I couldn't work on the Tracky..

I came up with this.. shoot me down if I am wrong..... and maybe we can turn this into part of the Modification Manual we were talking about in another thread.





I have a pretty neat way of getting the preload and backlash  VERY VERY close without even having to use a dial indicator.. I played with the 5.62 a few times yesterday, while I was waiting for the rain to stop (never did....)  I would do it with a dial indicator, and without.. and it was within .0005 or less each time I did it... I set it up a BIT looser than stock.. as I wanted the preload to be high enough, and without the tool to set the backlash, if I set it low, preload would be low too... I set it at about .010 instead of .008.. felt good... nice click, no clunk... (As Eric would say..)

Instead of marking, and counting turns and such... I just mark both adjusters as to their original positions.. and then upcap the bearings and remove the races/bearings/adjusters..

When I go back together with it, I start with the ring fully seated in the pinion with no lash at all and both races seated on the bearings fully..  then  I slide the adjuster furthest away from the pinion down into the threads with the mark I made in the correct position.. it should (and does) slide into place perfectly.. I install that cap and snug it down..

Then just slide the the other adjuster in whereever it goes in easily, don't worry about the marks.. install the cap carefully, making sure the adjuster meshes with the threads in the cap and the 3rd member.. start turning the adjuster in.. when it contacts the bearing, you will notice the mark is halfway, more or less from it's correct position..  you will have to use a spanner wrench, or a soft solid punch to turn the adjuster (with hammer) into it's final marked position.

Of course, after this method, I checked it with an indicator, and it was within specs..   I did it meticulously, and sloppily, and every time, the backlash was the same, and the preload felt the same too..

It makes sense.. as the pinion side adjuster is the adjuster that actually sets the backlash, the ring side adjuster sets the preload.. (actually, they work in conjunction, but bear with me)

SO, if the carrier, ring gear, bearings, races, pinion, caps, adjusters, etc... are NOT changed, or changed side to side, or anything... AND the backlash and preload was correct when you started.. (big if's there.....lol)  then the ring gear side adjuster will always fit straight down in the threads at the final marked position... and the pinion side adjuster will always NOT fit straight down in... it can't as in it's final state, it is this adjuster that is holding the carrier (and therefore the ring gear) away from the pinion (Creating a tiny amount of Backlash...) and it the whole adjusting assembly (both left and right) are under pressure... PRELOADING the bearings by actually spreading the caps/bearings/races away from each other...


See, you just start with the ring fully into the pinion, adjust the ring side adjuster till it holds the bearing/race/carrier against the pinion.. then force the ring/carrier AWAY from the pinion with the pinion side adjuster until the preload and backlash are set in one final adjustment.

Forgive me if this is hillbilly, or half-ass... but I am no  differential expert.. just a fair mechanic and for grins I did it over and over yesterday.. and just ONCE today.. my way.. then checked it with a dial indicator and I got the same amount of backlash before and after installing the spool...


« Last Edit: March 13, 2006, 07:24:13 PM by Quaddawg »
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Can we (I) get pictures?

Me too!  Pics!
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WELLLLLLLLLLLL... I didn't take pictures.. as it was raining most of the day, and I didn't want to kill my camera  AGAIN.. LOL...

BUT...   I do have this locker sitting here...  and this rear 3rd with 5.12's with a lonely, empty carries... LOL...  and they DO have to go on Ebay soon..


SO...      once I get the two small pinion pins from mr Hobgoblin (THANKS TOM!)  I will go ahead and set this locker up in the 5.12's and try to document the thing to make some sense.


All the info is on this forum, and the internet.. but it is hard to find... as I was looking for it too.

I like to write up everything I do, even if it is wrong, or needs correcting, cause it helps other folks learn too... everybody starts out as a newbie, and I am a Differential newbie.. admittedly.

I have written a score of articles concerning Polaris ATV buildup's and mods, and a few tutorials for Computer building, spud gun construction, etc... etc.... etc....

Just for grins.. do a google on   "quaddawg"  I think I found one or two that wasn't me... the rest is my silly ass posting all over the internet... LOL....

Man, if I could get an article on Ack's FAQ........  my life would be complete..... ;)


So,  if I feel froggy, I could go out and go through the motions of this method with the empty carrier, couldn't I...  I mean Lockrites come with instructions as far as putting them in.. (although this one looks a little different that the ones I have seen on the internet.. no side spring holes... just between the locker halves, with guide pins.. is that what it is supposed to be? or is this some off brand... lol.. I know... Pictures...  OK.. I feel froggy, I will go try to do a photo layout and better write up.....

gimme an hour or two to get it shot, written, annotated, photoshopped and uploaded to my host....  What do you guys want it in? .pdf?  word?  powerpoint?  .jpg  .tiff?   lol...   

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OK, here are the pictures... (turned out to be quite a lot of them... LOL)

I don't have the write up done, but most of the pictures are in order.

The pictures are numbered.. so it will be something like:

Picture 01a-  Before Dissassembly, rock the ring gear back and forth, and get a feel for the backlash as it currently is

Picture01b-  Basic set up and tools needed for this task

Picture 02   Names of various Componants

Picture 03  Further names of componants from left side

Picture 04  Alignment marks


etc... etc...


I will sort it out later...


here is the Gallery

http://www.forumsigs.com/users/quaddawg605/Backlash/



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Looks great!  ;D
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Well, I got it done.. but DAMN it turned out long for such a simple thing.. LOL..



I have it in PDF with pictures if anyone wants it.. it's almost 3 mb.. email me, I will send it out..

OR if there someone that could host it.. let me know..


Here it is in Text.

Match it with THESE pictures:

http://www.forumsigs.com/users/quaddawg605/Backlash/

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OK,  I hosted it... lol.. forgot I had webspace for a site I am workikng on.   LOL..



Here you go... not sure how long I will keep this site up, but feel free to grab it, host it elsewhere...


http://equusohio.com/TracDiffpics.pdf
1996 Tracker Daily Driver, "The Flea"

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 :)  Nicely done.
'86 MJ, 2.5 AMC, 904, NP207
'85 GMC HD2500, 350, 33s
'84 Toy, 20R, fenders cut like an emo kid