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jdraper

Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2003, 10:25:47 PM »
Most of the "organized" places we go require tow straps without integral hooks and no tow chains.  Straps are stronger, and do a lot less damage when they break.  I do have a towchain, but it stays in my support vehicle.  

Another advantage to straps is they weigh considerably less and take up less space.  I don't have much room in my Zuk since my wife, daughter and I take up most of the space.

Somewhere I have a shot of what happens to a vehicle when a towchain breaks.  I'll have to see if I can dig it up.

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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2003, 12:42:37 AM »
Chains sound heavy. I hope those of you who are using chain have them tied down good. I bet they would give someones head quite a thrashing in the event of a rollover. I personaly dont see a need, with 140 feet of winch rope I should be able to get out somehow. I agree with leaving them in the support vehicle.

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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2003, 02:30:33 AM »
The nice thing about straps is that they are a little
stretchy, reducing shock. There are times where the
stretch is not desireable, this is where you would
want a chain.

If you ever use a chain, always use proof coil truckers
grade, never hardware store stuff, proof coil is the stuff
you see the lowboy haulers using to chain down those
big earthmovers and dozers with, yes it is strong, yes
it is heavy as %#$|removethispart|@, but that's an application you
don't want any stretch.

I had the opportunity to cut my own system 7 proof coil
chain, 5/16" size, went like this,  used a pair of USA made
bolt cutters 48" long handles, one side equiped with a tripod
to hold them up laying one handle on the ground, the other
up in the air. Placed one side of the chain coil in the cutter jaw,
and I had to use all of my weight, with a controled full body
bounce two times to cut each side of this chain, (I'm 200 Lbs)
this is some tough stuff, and the type you should use if ever
you use a chain.

Also only use high strength hooks and clevis
as this is where the breakage is probably going to happen, and
for safety put somebodys heavy coat on the cable or chain, if it
snaps it won't do as much damage.

My 20' worth  ;)
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Offline cj

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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2003, 09:56:15 AM »
I carry both a snatch strap and a tow strap as they are designed to do different jobs. Also front and rear recovery points and a couple of load rated shackles. I will be adding a tree protector and snatch block as well as a winch shortly. Oh yeah, a hydaulic jack and baseplate, riggers gloves and a Rugged tool kit (South African, versatile, light and compact). Looking to add a bridle to spread the load evenly between both chassis rails when being snatched out.

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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2003, 12:36:09 PM »
Ok the thing behind the 30X4 strap is just what Wildgoody said, "he brings the 4" strap to pull out the  
monster trucks".  The 20 foot strap doesn't have enough strech to yank the 1 ton chevys with 44's out so i got to pull out the big dog.  and the thing with me bringing all the tools  is well...  FOR THE CHEVYS!  LOL  it never fails they always need them.  LOL   and me not bringing spare part is that i don't do rocks and mud it pretty gental on parts so me breaking is rare.   lata Stu
   

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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2003, 01:16:00 PM »
So, I think we can come to the conclusion that the size of a guys strap is directly proportional to the size of his  ....  

:o
« Last Edit: November 12, 2003, 01:16:08 PM by natebert »

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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2007, 10:22:55 AM »
The nice thing about straps is that they are a little
stretchy, reducing shock. There are times where the
stretch is not desirable, this is where you would
want a chain.

If you ever use a chain, always use proof coil truckers
grade, never hardware store stuff, proof coil is the stuff
you see the lowboy haulers using to chain down those
big earthmovers and dozers with, yes it is strong, yes
it is heavy as %#$|removethispart|@, but that's an application you
don't want any stretch.

I had the opportunity to cut my own system 7 proof coil
chain, 5/16" size, went like this,  used a pair of USA made
bolt cutters 48" long handles, one side equiped with a tripod
to hold them up laying one handle on the ground, the other
up in the air. Placed one side of the chain coil in the cutter jaw,
and I had to use all of my weight, with a controled full body
bounce two times to cut each side of this chain, (I'm 200 Lbs)
this is some tough stuff, and the type you should use if ever
you use a chain.

Also only use high strength hooks and clevis
as this is where the breakage is probably going to happen, and
for safety put somebodys heavy coat on the cable or chain, if it
snaps it won't do as much damage.

My 20' worth  ;)
Darrin

This chain is some strong stuff, i have seen it in brutal action!
At my work one of my co-workers rolled a  off highway dump truck off a bridge into a river.  It just rolled the cab off and kept the full load up right on top of the bridge.
They tried to yard it out with 2 chains.  They had a D9 bulldozer pulling, with 2 988 loaders hooked to that then a 345 excavator trying to lift the cab up.  Both chains did eventually break, they broke at the hook, and took off like a rocket straight to the cab of the haul truck.  It had so much force in the the hit that it ripped off one of the fenders, broke the railing and windshield.  It was pretty gnarly...

But yes, i pull people with toe straps.  Not a big fan of chains, there quite deadly and unpredictable.

Amilla
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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2007, 06:41:49 PM »
I have straps but carry a 5' piece of chian. you never know might need to hold somthing together and  it's alot easer to bolt chain then a strap



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rascott

Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2007, 07:01:40 PM »
i do my trails to fish, so i'm often on my own.
only recovery tools i've used is the sizzor jack and trenching shovel - so far.
sometimes that takes awhile.
i'm thinking of a small winch and points for/aft?

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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2008, 10:03:31 AM »
i do my trails to fish, so i'm often on my own.
only recovery tools i've used is the sizzor jack and trenching shovel - so far.
sometimes that takes awhile.
i'm thinking of a small winch and points for/aft?



I think if you want this: http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=20114.0

also a Hi-lift jack(come in 48 and 60 inches) can be used as a handy recovery tool.  i'm sure you can search the net for the reasons why.

Stuie
   

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rascott

Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2008, 08:17:42 PM »
a Hi-Lift jack does seem handy. it would replace my come-a-long and i could be more help to others.
i've been lucky so far that nobody has seen me getting out of some of my little predicaments. it would look pretty crude.
some seem surprised that i'm by myself.
i've decided againt a winch- i'd probably mount it on the wrong end.

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Basher

Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2008, 09:31:12 PM »
i cary chain but only for attaching a come along or high lift, a hard jerk with a chain= bad news, too much shock load, ive seen bumpers tweaked and worse, all that energy has to go somwhere and of it doesnt stretch it breaks or bends something, if im getting to much stretch i just double the strap, and "tow" straps with hooks  are not in my box

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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2008, 07:12:11 AM »
Here in Michigan, we have the Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Asso.  Any event that they sponcer, you must have a toe point on the front and back.  Must have a strap no chains.  And last NO ball hitches.  I guess on a hard pull the ball can break loose and come flying like a canon ball.
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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2008, 09:16:37 PM »
My 6000# Warn winch has always been there for me , rain or shine.  why not do it the easy way
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Re: Recovery techniques...
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2008, 09:14:13 PM »
I have 3 straps and a tree saver strap, totaling out to 50'. More often than not I'm towing... one of my freinds' dead POS's across town, or stranger in need. Two of my straps have hooks and one has loops. Try towing much of anything (stock) with out hooks.

Once I was good and burried up to the frame rails and my buddy to the rescue burries his 4Runner up to the axles. We were saved by a guy with a dually Chevy and a 200' steel cord who could pull from dry pavement.
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