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Wish us luck!!! About to venture into the frozen Allegheny National Forest!!

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Offline TopHeavy96

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Hey everyone, so...me and THE WHITE1 and some non-Suzuki friends are getting ready to go winter-camping up in the Allegheny National Forest in P.A. this weekend.  Yeah, we know, we're nuts...or so we've heard  ::)  But anyway,  we're  leavin friday morning, and cruisin the 200 miles to our spot.  We got my Tracker, THE WHITE1's Zuki, and my buddy Cj's full size Chevy and trailer, loaded up with his 4x4 ATV w/ plow.  Our main recovery vehicle(a 3"body lifted Mazda B4000 on 33x12.50s) got knocked out of the trip earlier today by a slippery on-ramp and a guard rail, >:( :o so that elevated me to lead truck.  For recovery I got a 30' strap and 20' of chain, a super heavy duty come-along, 2 bags of salt and kitty litter, aluminum ATV ramps for ruts, hydraulic shop jack, chainsaw for downed trees,  jumper box and a 5 gallon gas can.  For camp, we got 2 bails of hay for tent floor insulation and mud, propane stoves, and heater for the tent.  Since all the wood is wet and under snow, and we're way too lazy to gather anyway, we're buyin a truck-load of seasoned wood from a guy out by the forest.  We're pretty good at camping, even in crazy severe storms and high winds, but winter is a whole different ball-game, and it's been a while for us. We're bringin lots of cold weather gear, and we'll be dressed for the weather,  but I'm tryin to think of any last minute things I mighta forgot, both for truck recovery, and cold weather camping.  

Oh, btw, we got a GPS and cobra radio in each car, and a decent CB in mine, so we should be good there.

OK start throwin the suggestions out there,  and I'll go hit up Walmart  ;D ;)

Here's a Google Earth shot of our campsite,  the plan is to make it to our summer campsite

 
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96' Tracker 4-door, 16v, auto, open front, limited slip rear, Jeff1997's 2" lift with diff spacer, 95' mustang shocks, Calmini axle truss, BFG 30x9.5 mud-terrains on 15x8 "D"-windows, trimmed and banged fenders and bumpers, radio shack CB, Tom Tom GPS, 100w KC lights
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Tent Heater.  :)
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Sunblock?  ;D

I don't see a camera on the list!
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Offline TopHeavy96

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Got two heaters, one for each sleepin tent, plus a third tent for community chillin.   We're definitely bringin a few cameras, but somethin tells me sunburn won't be a problem, although Sunday it is supposed to get up to 35* with some sun ;)

Added to the list: Power inverter, Mr. Coffee, and a crock pot  ;D ok we may be cheatin just a little, lol
96' Tracker 4-door, 16v, auto, open front, limited slip rear, Jeff1997's 2" lift with diff spacer, 95' mustang shocks, Calmini axle truss, BFG 30x9.5 mud-terrains on 15x8 "D"-windows, trimmed and banged fenders and bumpers, radio shack CB, Tom Tom GPS, 100w KC lights
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You guys are nuts! :laugh: In a good way. I've only winter camped once voluntarily. The rest of the time it was in some German forest with 2 feet of snow in the ground, sleeping in the tailboom of the helicopter or on a pallet layed on the floor of the tent. Did it a few times in Colorado too, thats why I"ve got a slide in for my pickup now. So, GOOD LUCK!! ;D
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Offline TopHeavy96

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Hey everyone, just wanted to let y'all know we made it, came home with all our fingers and toes, and the Geo and Zuk did fine ;).   We had good weather the whole time, with the only major snow comin on Friday night and Saturday mornin.  We couldn't make it to our spot cause some oil company dude plowed up a huge snow pile right in the road.  I'm sure I coulda made it too if he wouldn't have plowed the up logging roads, but oh well, we went to our "back-up" location and had a good time anyway.
96' Tracker 4-door, 16v, auto, open front, limited slip rear, Jeff1997's 2" lift with diff spacer, 95' mustang shocks, Calmini axle truss, BFG 30x9.5 mud-terrains on 15x8 "D"-windows, trimmed and banged fenders and bumpers, radio shack CB, Tom Tom GPS, 100w KC lights
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96' Tracker 4-door, 16v, auto, open front, limited slip rear, Jeff1997's 2" lift with diff spacer, 95' mustang shocks, Calmini axle truss, BFG 30x9.5 mud-terrains on 15x8 "D"-windows, trimmed and banged fenders and bumpers, radio shack CB, Tom Tom GPS, 100w KC lights
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Burrrrr!  ;D
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Now that's an adventure!  Glad ya'll had a good and safe time!  Got any advice now for others camping in that kind of weather?
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Offline TopHeavy96

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Burrrrr!

Ahh come on, it weren't that bad,  the only real cold moments were strippin down to change, or go to bed.  And it was a little breezy whenever nature came calling lol.

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Now that's an adventure!  Glad ya'll had a good and safe time!  Got any advice now for others camping in that kind of weather?

I do have a little advice, mostly common sense stuff:

Number one rule: Water is your enemy, and your friend.  You can get hypothermia or dehydration. Don't get wet, shake off as much snow as you can, and have changes of everything (socks, skivvies, long johnnys, gloves, beany hat, etc.) My clothes get packed in gallon ziplocks and crammed into my pack, so that way even in a tent leakage situation, my long johns and socks stay dry.  Boots come off at the entrance to the tent, every time you enter, and stay in a specific "wet" section,  Also remember that sweating will create enough moisture to make you lose heat 25 times faster than normal.  Sweating also speeds up water loss, so dress in layers and strip off as needed.

Number two:  Have a back-up plan.  We got held up for a while cause of a huge snow pile the plow created, and had to resort to a more "man-made" camping spot.  Back-up plan is important because noone wants to drive for three hours just to get stopped and then have to decide what to do on the spot.

Number three:   Insulate.  Your body creates enough heat and the goal is to keep as much as possible. This means proper clothing,  sleeping bag(rated to the temps you'll encounter) and insulating pad, and hay or straw under the tent.  Know what you're getting into and dress accordingly, wool is your friend, albeit an itchy friend.  Synthetic blend wool is good too, but cotton is a big no-no.  Also I should mention that cots and air-beds are also a no-no, due to air and convection currents underneath.  BTW memory foam freezes and holds it's temp, so it's a real big no-no.

Number four:  Let people know where you're goin.   Give a general location or GPS coordinates to someone at home that knows your planned camping area and how to get there, and a time when you're due home, so they know if and when to start lookin.

Number five:  Call the Rangers.   This one didn't work out too well for us, as the Ranger never called us back,  but it's a good idea to let someone in the nearby area know you'll be up there.  If the Rangers don't answer or call back,  you can still call the State Troopers (which is what we did)

Number six:  Bring back-up fuel, and a fully charged jumper-box.  For pretty obvious reasons.

Number seven:  Plan to use at least 1.5-2 times the wood you use in summer.  Also bring some kind of fire helper,  kerosene is good as it burns longer than gasoline.

Number eight:   Tarps are the real tents.   Bring enough tarps that you can drop a bail of hay, cover it with a tarp, then pitch your tent, then another tarp,  all staked and strung down to resist the wind.   The tarps will stop wind and rain better than the tent, and will also provide a little dead-air space between the tent and the outside air.  We've camped in severe thunderstorms with 50mph winds using this "tarp-roof" method. 

Number nine:   Bring snow shovel, salt, and a broom 

Number ten:   Be aware that the road conditions may be quite varied and unpredictable on you route, especially if it's a long ride.  We locked in our hubs once the roads started gettin a little slushy,  just to be safe,  and ended up using 4-wheel-drive for the last 45 minutes on the way up,  and again on the way back down.

Number eleven:   RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH,  I cannot stress this enough,  it's important to learn about insulation, body heat loss and prevention, metabolism and how to make your body make more heat even while you're sleeping  Also research the area where you'll be,  for total snow accumulation,  melting/drainage/flooding, current weather conditions, and also watch the forecast, for before, during and after your trip. 

Number twelve  Plan for the worst case scenarios.  Know the potential dangers, such as major unexpected snowfall,  prolonged extreme cold temps, sudden injury/illness, etc.  Bring a good first aid kit, a sled to pull an injured buddy, and extra blankets.


Well I guess some of it isn't exactly common sense,  but good to know nonetheless.   ;) 
96' Tracker 4-door, 16v, auto, open front, limited slip rear, Jeff1997's 2" lift with diff spacer, 95' mustang shocks, Calmini axle truss, BFG 30x9.5 mud-terrains on 15x8 "D"-windows, trimmed and banged fenders and bumpers, radio shack CB, Tom Tom GPS, 100w KC lights
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Great tips and info, just in case!
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Great tips and info, just in case!


Hey thanks!   ;D It's all either stuff I've learned the hard way, or second-hand off the net.

Lots of good info here:
http://www.princeton.edu/~oa/winter/wintcamp.shtml
96' Tracker 4-door, 16v, auto, open front, limited slip rear, Jeff1997's 2" lift with diff spacer, 95' mustang shocks, Calmini axle truss, BFG 30x9.5 mud-terrains on 15x8 "D"-windows, trimmed and banged fenders and bumpers, radio shack CB, Tom Tom GPS, 100w KC lights
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1097549855954